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Posted by: Philippines Escape Sep 30 2008, 11:21 AM
I have lived in Cebu for around 3 years and met many of the expats. There are a few good guys here but I have to say the majority are not worth knowing. Philippines seems to be a refuge for people running away from problems or life in general. People that can not make it back home.
A while ago I made the mistake of befriending one such guy who at first seemed to be intelligent and genuine.
I have since found out that this guy moves from one person to another leaving a trail of destruction in terms of relationships, abuse, broken promises and destroyed lives.
Maybe he has no real life of his own so he likes to get into others people’s lives and mess them around just to prove he can. He thinks he is a psychologist and will tell you so. What he loves is to mess around in people’s heads playing mind games.
If you have a girl friend he will try to take her away from you. Not because he actually wants her for himself but simply to prove to himself that he can. Some he will have sex with and others he will just make problems between the couple feeding them any personal information that might have been confided between two mates to cause them to break up. He even fabricates blatant lies.
I will not talk about how he has messed around in my life and with my friends but here are some examples of how he works.
There was a waitress is gecko bar when it was still just a resto-bar. She had a job and a serious Australian fiancée. This guy worked on her drinking at geckos every day and finally arranging to meet her at Julianos after work. Eventually they would go out more and more. He stated to teach her to binge drink.
He then introduced her to shabu. He told me that once a girl is on that they are under his control. He made her resign her job. He told her that she would have to choose between her fiancé and him. I asked him why he was making her break up with her fiancée as he had not intention of marrying her himself and he said to me that he just feels like that and can not help himself (something to that effect).
I actually do not know the end of that story as I stopped associating with him soon after except that just a month or so later he is no longer with her and staying with a girl who he had been seeing at the same time anyway.
He has got this new girl on Shabu also. I know this girl and I can see her whole life collapsing around her. She said to me two nights ago that she had lost everything.
This guy also physically and mentally abuses women. When he is with a woman he controls her forbidding her to talk to other guys. The current girl has a computer and internet but he says she is not allowed to go online.
The above are just a couple of examples of this guy. Not even the tip of the iceberg. He is known to an increasing number of foreigners that want to see this skum deported.
How to recognize him.
He is Australian and 34 years old. He has lived in Cebu for around 3 years. He is around 6’ tall with fair complexion. He has ear rings.
In the past he has associated more with foreigners but increasingly he drinks at local establishments and hangs with locals.
He is a chronic alcoholic who if he has slept at all will starting drinking early in the morning and continue to the early hours of the morning without any break.
He is also a shabu addict. One look at his left arm says it all. Lots of deep cuts requiring stitches which I am told is the tell tail sing of an addict on bad trip. I have not seen him for a few weeks but I am told that now he has painted his toe nails black.
This combination of alcohol and drugs is making him increasingly unpredictable and violent. I have seen him first hand and heard numerous stories of him switching like a Dr Jackal / Mr Hide. His abuse is almost always directed at women. He never fights guys.
He is disliked by most bar girls around Cebu who he uses to obtain shabu. He turns on them with out warning sometimes physically abuses them for no apparent reason.
He was living in Cebu but recently transferred to Mactan.
Almost forgot to mention. He has a thing for young girls. He is always looking for slim petite young girls. I have seen him with girls as young as 14. What makes it worse is his desire not only to abuse them sexually but also corrupt them with alcohol and drugs.
This is a guy to avoid and hopefully karma will come to him soon.
I am adding some pics of him i have been given
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Edit: Click on http://www.livingincebuforums.com/ipb/index.php?s=&showtopic=8728&view=findpost&p=74257, on page 3 of this thread. You will be able to download a pdf file of the Sun Star, showing information regarding Dean.
Posted by: M.Morey Sep 30 2008, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the warning. He sounds like a real psycho. Guys like this often get what they deserve. Let's hope so.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Sep 30 2008, 12:07 PM
I want to edit my post and fix up the bad grammar and change a couple of small things but can not see how.
There are a few members here that know this guy and I am sure they will soon be adding comments.
Posted by: Dave_Hounddriver Sep 30 2008, 12:11 PM
I am sure it felt good to get all that venom out of your system. I am not sure that you expect anything from this forum except our understanding. You got burnt by someone who you believed to be friend. It has happened to most of us and it does not matter what country you are in. When you say the majority of expats are not worth knowing I start wondering which expats you know. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps. Here's hoping you choose better companions from now on.
Posted by: Balay Sep 30 2008, 05:40 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Sep 30 2008, 10:21 AM)

How to recognize him.
He is Australian and 34 years old. He has lived in Cebu for around 3 years. He is around 6’ tall with fair complexion. He has ear rings.
That describes a lot of foreigners here:
What color hair ?
How long is his hair cut ?
Mustache ? Sideburns ?
What names does he go by ?
Does he have any tattoos ?
Does he always wear hats or shirts with logos ( some guys have a limited warbrobe )
How much do you think he wieghs ?
Posted by: Bob Ward Sep 30 2008, 06:31 PM
QUOTE(Balay @ Sep 30 2008, 04:40 AM)

That describes a lot of foreigners here:
What color hair ?
How long is his hair cut ?
Mustache ? Sideburns ?
What names does he go by ?
Does he have any tattoos ?
Does he always wear hats or shirts with logos ( some guys have a limited warbrobe )
How much do you think he wieghs ?
He's going to be entering the "Filipino Justice System" I presume? Best thing for him really.
I will say this about that, if a married/attached woman will succumb to his supposed allure, she is just a guilty as he is.
Posted by: Balay Sep 30 2008, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(Bob Ward @ Sep 30 2008, 05:31 PM)

I will say this about that, if a married/attached woman will succumb to his supposed allure, she is just a guilty as he is.
There are very innocent, gullible girls straight out of the province who could succumb to his allure.
Where does his income from from Philippines Escape ?
Does he have a business here ?
Posted by: broden Sep 30 2008, 06:46 PM
messing with someones woman .. successfully or not ,anywhere in the world, is a good way to end up with a very serious leaking problem .. it'll eventually catch up
Posted by: Alan S Sep 30 2008, 07:13 PM
Sadly, there are some low-lifes of every nationality, and in every country.
Anyone who is on shabu (or similar drugs) should be watched carefully, or kept away from, as that makes an unstable person even more so.
Sad that someone ruins others, but no doubt he will get his just deserts in due course.
Posted by: Archer Sep 30 2008, 07:26 PM
QUOTE(Bob Ward @ Sep 30 2008, 09:31 PM)

He's going to be entering the "Filipino Justice System" I presume? Best thing for him really.
I will say this about that, if a married/attached woman will succumb to his supposed allure, she is just a guilty as he is.
QUOTE(Balay @ Sep 30 2008, 09:42 PM)

There are very innocent, gullible girls straight out of the province who could succumb to his allure.
Where does his income from from Philippines Escape ?
Does he have a business here ?
Yes, that's true there are innocent, gullible girls straight out from the province who may succumb. But if she is married/attached, then its a different story. Its not like trigonometry or rocket science to know right from wrong.
A man who is confident in himself and his relationship should not feel threatened by a dog like this guy! Oddly enough, in the Phils its usually the women who cause problems by going after a married man. This is because many Filipino men can't resist the temptation.
Posted by: Balay Sep 30 2008, 07:51 PM
QUOTE(Archer @ Sep 30 2008, 06:26 PM)

Oddly enough, in the Phils its usually the women who cause problems by going after a married man. This is because many Filipino men can't resist the temptation.
Why do you think the reason why Filipino men can resist the temptation ? Eating too much balut ?
( I think it happens in every country and every culture ... but since are in the Phils... sure why not.. lets blame it on the Filipino men )
Posted by: robert51 Sep 30 2008, 08:59 PM
i have heard of the guy .. my son told me he meet a guy like that a foreigner and the foreigner invited him to another island and HE said the foreigner meet a girl and beat her up so my son left and had to call me for money to get home.. the Foreigner he said hangs out in the bars by mango square ... he threathened my son thru text and we tried to find out his name... NO one knows his name.. I do wonder why NONE of the girls every file a case ??
Posted by: scianna54 Oct 1 2008, 02:18 AM
QUOTE(robert51 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:59 PM)

i have heard of the guy .. my son told me he meet a guy like that a foreigner and the foreigner invited him to another island and HE said the foreigner meet a girl and beat her up so my son left and had to call me for money to get home.. the Foreigner he said hangs out in the bars by mango square ... he threathened my son thru text and we tried to find out his name... NO one knows his name.. I do wonder why NONE of the girls every file a case ??
I think I have seen that guy but I am not sure. I am willing to help financially to clean up that piece of garbage. If anyone takes the initiative, please PM me.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Oct 1 2008, 04:48 AM
I agree with you and accept the responsiblity for my choice of friends but I am not alone in those he has fooled. This is no idiot. Not only does he fool filipinas but also foriegners.
As for getting venom out of my system i have not even started with this guy. what do i expect from here...I am hoping that some other people might recognise him and have some information him that can help nail him.
QUOTE(Dave_Hounddriver @ Sep 30 2008, 11:11 AM)

I am sure it felt good to get all that venom out of your system. I am not sure that you expect anything from this forum except our understanding. You got burnt by someone who you believed to be friend. It has happened to most of us and it does not matter what country you are in. When you say the majority of expats are not worth knowing I start wondering which expats you know. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps. Here's hoping you choose better companions from now on.
Posted by: Damairaki Oct 1 2008, 10:37 PM
Hhhhmmm...
Let's face it amongst the expats in the Philippines you will find sociopats, drug-abusers (shabu), mentally ill, sadists, anarchists, criminals, racists, pedophiles and the likes.
You are to be just as cautious when encountering expats as filipinos.
The first time I met an expat lying to the filipinas I really got disappointed. He was lying rigth to their face and they belived him. He even had some racist points of view. Later I observed more of them. On shabu. Lying to their wifes. Lying to their girlfriends. Hiding adultry, telling stories about amazing houses that were never gonna be build, 100 million peso worth of stocks that was never there - lies lies lies.
It hurt me that they would do that. Yet it is their own choice.
Posted by: Admin Oct 1 2008, 10:47 PM
At first I didn't realize who posted this topic. However, I know both the person who has posted this topic, and the person in question, directly. This guy (the scumbag) actually stayed in my home from time to time, during the time I lived in Bogo. He made false accusations of Vivian (my g/f) being a whore, and having had sex with another of my friends there. Recently, Vivian made it a point to tell me that he attempted to have sex with her, while he lived in my home.
He had better hope and pray that I don't see him again. A pool cue will fit nicely up his arse.
I personally know one of the girls he sexually abused. Of course, I doubt you will see him (the scumbag) back in Bogo, ever. He has worn out his welcome there, having had an encounter with a group of Filipinos. They ended up sticking him in the shoulder with a pair of scissors - a deserved retaliation, after what he had done.
I hope he does time in the Philippines, and then is released to do additional time in Australia.
Posted by: scianna54 Oct 2 2008, 12:15 AM
QUOTE(Admin @ Oct 2 2008, 01:47 AM)

At first I didn't realize who posted this topic. However, I know both the person who has posted this topic, and the person in question, directly. This guy (the scumbag) actually stayed in my home from time to time, during the time I lived in Bogo. He made false accusations of Vivian (my g/f) being a No way!, and having had sex with another of my friends there. Recently, Vivian made it a point to tell me that he attempted to have sex with her, while he lived in my home.
He had better hope and pray that I don't see him again. A pool cue will fit nicely up his arse.
I personally know one of the girls he sexually abused. Of course, I doubt you will see him (the scumbag) back in Bogo, ever. He has worn out his welcome there, having had an encounter with a group of Filipinos. They ended up sticking him in the shoulder with a pair of scissors - a deserved retaliation, after what he had done.
I hope he does time in the Philippines, and then is released to do additional time in Australia.
I also would like to clarify that I know who is the topic starter and have absolute trust in what is reported. I had a conversation with the guy once and felt very uncomfortable around him. I had a lot of sales training and psychology at university (and some people I knew used the same manipulative talk), so I realized what was going on.
The guy is not stupid and very manipulative, so be careful.
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Posted by: Balay Oct 2 2008, 07:18 AM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Oct 1 2008, 03:48 AM)

I am hoping that some other people might recognise him and have some information him that can help nail him.
You need to give us some more informotion higala.
That describes a lot of foreigners here:
What color hair ?
How long is his hair cut ?
Mustache ? Sideburns ?
What names does he go by ?
Does he have any tattoos ?
Does he always wear hats or shirts with logos ( some guys have a limited warbrobe )
How much do you think he wieghs ?
Posted by: teruchan Oct 2 2008, 08:57 AM
QUOTE(Archer @ Sep 30 2008, 06:26 PM)

Yes, that's true there are innocent, gullible girls straight out from the province who may succumb. But if she is married/attached, then its a different story. Its not like trigonometry or rocket science to know right from wrong.
While I agree, I had taken it that the fiance was
in Australia. Not an excuse, mind you, but it does make a big difference.
Posted by: Aussie Energiser Oct 2 2008, 01:21 PM
Let me guess Name would be Dean calls himself DIN DIN ORTIN
Go to any of the bars in Mango and ask the girls if they know DIN DIN and watch and listen to the response.
Posted by: scianna54 Oct 2 2008, 05:29 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Energiser @ Oct 2 2008, 04:21 PM)

Let me guess Name would be Dean calls himself DIN DIN ORTIN
Go to any of the bars in Mango and ask the girls if they know DIN DIN and watch and listen to the response.
This is very good information.
I encourage everybody to post more like this. Pls PM me if you prefer it. Thanks.
.
Posted by: Alan S Oct 2 2008, 05:46 PM
Some posts here suggest taking the law into ones own hands.
I hope those comments were figuritive, rather than definate plans.
Naturally, given the various statements given, anyone who can do so should enlist the assistance of the authorites, which is, I am sure, what was meant.
Posted by: the scarrows Oct 2 2008, 05:51 PM
As a man married to a beautiful pinoy and soon to be living there, this guy makes me sick.
I am a night manager of a hotel and IF I had this guy in my hotel and he was doing this kind of crap to a woman, I would take care of him with my own kind of justice.
And then, after I was done, I would let my friends in the police force take over.
Needless to say, this guy wouldn't even be able to crawl around the streets let alone walk the streets.
Someone eluded in an earlier post that these people who are fooled may have deserved it....hmmmm. Interesting, but not necessarily true.
Even the MOST intelligent person can be fooled. Look at the so-called financial experts in the United States and what has happened to their money in the past few weeks because of lies that have been fed to us for decades!!!!
I would suggest to the person who made that reference needs to double think what he/she says before they say it or type it. Because one day, you might be the one who gets fooled.
Posted by: Bob Ward Oct 2 2008, 06:12 PM
QUOTE(the scarrows @ Oct 2 2008, 04:51 AM)

Someone eluded in an earlier post that these people who are fooled may have deserved it....hmmmm. Interesting, but not necessarily true.
Even the MOST intelligent person can be fooled. Look at the so-called financial experts in the United States and what has happened to their money in the past few weeks because of lies that have been fed to us for decades!!!!
I would suggest to the person who made that reference needs to double think what he/she says before they say it or type it. Because one day, you might be the one who gets fooled.
Well I guess that would be me. I simply tried to state that if a woman is married or otherwise engaged, then she is culpable in the matter too. Cheating is cheating, even if your husband/fiancee is out of the country. I never said or inferred that she deserved to be duped! Why do people twist things?
BTW - welcome to the forum. Getting cold in BC yet?
Posted by: Balay Oct 2 2008, 06:39 PM
What kind of Visa does he have to stay in the Phils ?
Posted by: Damairaki Oct 2 2008, 06:43 PM
QUOTE(the scarrows @ Oct 2 2008, 04:51 PM)

As a man married to a beautiful pinoy and soon to be living there, this guy makes me sick.
I am a night manager of a hotel and IF I had this guy in my hotel and he was doing this kind of crap to a woman, I would take care of him with my own kind of justice.
And then, after I was done, I would let my friends in the police force take over.
Needless to say, this guy wouldn't even be able to crawl around the streets let alone walk the streets.
Someone eluded in an earlier post that these people who are fooled may have deserved it....hmmmm. Interesting, but not necessarily true.
Even the MOST intelligent person can be fooled. Look at the so-called financial experts in the United States and what has happened to their money in the past few weeks because of lies that have been fed to us for decades!!!!
I would suggest to the person who made that reference needs to double think what he/she says before they say it or type it. Because one day, you might be the one who gets fooled.
I agree. It is to cheap to say that people who are being fooled are "deserving" it. The guy in question here seems completely out of bounds and extremely manipulative. E.g. the description which Paul gave. Of course a hustler like "Din Din" will fool people. It seems like it is more or less all he does?
The lowest kind of guy is the one who doesn't treat working girls with respect. Being abusive towards those girls stinks.
By the way I take it that you mean "pinay" and not "pinoy"?
Posted by: Bob Ward Oct 2 2008, 07:32 PM
QUOTE(Damairaki @ Oct 2 2008, 05:43 AM)

I agree. It is to cheap to say that people who are being fooled are "deserving" it. The guy in question here seems completely out of bounds and extremely manipulative. E.g. the description which Paul gave. Of course a hustler like "Din Din" will fool people. It seems like it is more or less all he does?
The lowest kind of guy is the one who doesn't treat working girls with respect. Being abusive towards those girls stinks.
By the way I take it that you mean "pinay" and not "pinoy"?

May I quote you on that? LOLOLOL So, you mean that a serial killer or a pedophile are higher in the food chain than the guy who does not hold a bar girl in high esteem?
See what happens when you don't read thoroughly and or words get twisted into something else!
Posted by: robert51 Oct 2 2008, 07:41 PM
why doesnt someone foward his picture and info to the PNP they are always looking for a foreigner to arrest...
Posted by: Admin Oct 2 2008, 08:23 PM
They have it, I'm fairly certain, as well as all known locations he frequents, etc.
Posted by: Damairaki Oct 2 2008, 11:43 PM
QUOTE(Bob Ward @ Oct 2 2008, 06:32 PM)

May I quote you on that? LOLOLOL So, you mean that a serial killer or a pedophile are higher in the food chain than the guy who does not hold a bar girl in high esteem?
See what happens when you don't read thoroughly and or words get twisted into something else!
Excuse me!!???
I know that you are a good friend of Paul (admin). However I can not participate in these forums if you are aloud to MANIPULATE like that!?
You are making empty accusations against me:
1. You claim that I don't read thoroughly.
What ever do you mean by that?
2. You put words in my mouth by stating about me
"So, you mean that a serial killer or a pedophile are higher in the food chain than the guy who does not hold a bar girl in high esteem?"NO I don't mean that. And I NEVER agreed to or stated something like that.
3. You write
"...words get twisted into something else!"Indeed YOU are twisting my opinions AND my words.
The question is WHY?
What is YOUR problem Bob Ward?
The fact that I find it so low to abuse working girls - as I know many young american guys (and others) do - (search the web) - does not mean that I find them worse than Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Pedophiles, serial killers and so on. This should be rather obvious to a sober person of average intelligence and up...
Do I have to s-p-e-l-l- it for you or do you get the point?
(I return jabs with punches - you asked for it!

)
Posted by: Bob Ward Oct 2 2008, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(Damairaki @ Oct 2 2008, 10:43 AM)

Excuse me!!???
I know that you are a good friend of Paul (admin). However I can not participate in these forums if you are aloud to MANIPULATE like that!?
You are making empty accusations against me:
1. You claim that I don't read thoroughly.
What ever do you mean by that?
2. You put words in my mouth by stating about me
"So, you mean that a serial killer or a pedophile are higher in the food chain than the guy who does not hold a bar girl in high esteem?"NO I don't mean that. And I NEVER agreed to or stated something like that.
3. You write
"...words get twisted into something else!"Indeed YOU are twisting my opinions AND my words.
The question is WHY?
What is YOUR problem Bob Ward?
The fact that I find it so low to abuse working girls - as I know many young american guys (and others) do - (search the web) - does not mean that I find them worse than Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Pedophiles, serial killers and so on. This should be rather obvious to a sober person of average intelligence and up...
Do I have to s-p-e-l-l- it for you or do you get the point?
(I return jabs with punches - you asked for it!

)
It's good to see that you got my point. It's not fun when somebody twists your words around.
1. If you had read the entire thread you would have known that I never said that any of his victims deserved what happened.
2. It was an example of what happened to me and then you said I was being cheap. whatever that means.
3. Because you criticized me without good reason.
QUOTE
The fact that I find it so low to abuse working girls as I know many young american guys (and others) do - (search the web) - does not mean that I find them worse than Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Pedophiles, serial killers and so on. This should be rather obvious to a sober person of average intelligence and up...
You did not say that it was so low to abuse working girls, you said "the lowest kind of guy is the one who doesn't treat working girls with respect", that is completely different. make up your mind please.
Then you dis American guys, with a caveat.
Then you imply that I am not sober, or at the worst an alcoholic, plus you make a feeble attempt to insult my intelligence.
Before you criticize someone in the future, please read carefully and take heed.
BTW - when did I ever say, or did Paul ever say, that we are good friends.
Posted by: Admin Oct 2 2008, 11:57 PM
Good. Now that we all have that out of our systems, let's get back to the topic, shall we?
Posted by: james Oct 2 2008, 11:57 PM
at least we are all agreed on one thing here, that is scum need dealing with and what better way then through reporting them to the authorities, one thing we can be assured of is a warm welcome at the local B.I.D. office,
we can then enjoy upsetting each other again and leaving those alone that are not here on the forum,
James
Posted by: Admin Oct 2 2008, 11:59 PM
LOL. Good post, James.
Posted by: Penguin Oct 3 2008, 12:40 AM
I know i am out of line here but I can't resist. After seeing those pictures, any girl smitten by his "great" looks is probably a girl you should dump. I know I'd dump her in a heartbeat because that guy just looks freaky.
It reminds of that girl I dated who thought Osama Bin Laden was handsome.....
Posted by: Admin Oct 3 2008, 12:51 AM
Many Filipinas aren't as picky about looks, as western women would be. A man just has to be willing to promise her that he will marry her and take care of her, often for a naive young Filipina to fall prey to him, unfortunately.
Posted by: chimellie Oct 3 2008, 07:39 AM
Filipinas are so sweet and pretty...I just can't see how anyone could hurt them.
We need to find that dude and get him deported or at least put him in jail.
Posted by: MattFromGA Oct 3 2008, 08:19 AM
QUOTE
After seeing those pictures, any girl smitten by his "great" looks is probably a girl you should dump.
Actually, the three pictures posted of the guy are all "goofy" pictures, but its fairly clear that if he cleans himself up and wears nice clothes he could definitely come off with a nice image. When I look at all the various pictures of myself I too have some goofy pictures and some really nice ones too.
The point I'm making is that, he isnt a hunchback (at least from the pics I see here) and he isnt a old fat troll either. I can easily see how this guy could hook people regularly.
Posted by: the scarrows Oct 3 2008, 08:43 AM
Not cold in BC yet....just wet...but nothing new about that here.
I do agree that we are all responsible for our actions and reactions to certain situations. Why a man or woman would cheat on their husband or wife, no one can really answer that question because the reasons can be many.
However, there are people out there who know how to manipulate and have the ability to control a person's mind. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't have cults (i.e. Warren Jeffs and the polygamists or David Koresh in Waco, Texas).
People who fall under this kind of control can and have fallen for almost anything. And it doesn't matter if they are uneducated or educated.
It takes a very strong bond between a man and a woman who love each other to be able to resist this kind of control.
Anyway, just my two cents.
I would suggest to the person who originally posted this subject that not all foreigners are not worth knowing. Unfortunately, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the barrel.
And, from what I heard, there are just as many bad people who are not foreigners who would and can and do do this as well.
I have heard of family members not caring for their dying parents and all they want is their money or property. And didn't even know that they had died two days earlier in their bedroom. And no one bothered to care enough to check. And that happened in the Philippines recently.
But that doesn't spoil my opinion of pinoys. Because not all pinoys are bad people. Just like not all expats are bad people either.
Anyway, I hope you will change your mind about all of us expats and soon to be expats and that we are able to show you that we are not all bad people.
However, until then, take care of yourself and the ones you love.
Posted by: Balay Oct 3 2008, 09:16 AM
QUOTE(Admin @ Oct 2 2008, 07:23 PM)

They have it, I'm fairly certain, as well as all known locations he frequents, etc.
Do you know where he is currently living ?
Send a immigration agent down there to see if he is up to date on his visa.
Posted by: joemama Oct 3 2008, 09:21 AM
QUOTE(Admin @ Oct 2 2008, 06:51 PM)

Many Filipinas aren't as picky about looks, as western women would be
Thank God for that !!!
Posted by: AngelofBroden Oct 3 2008, 10:04 AM
This guy does need to be locked up. Or deported to wherever he came from.. and yes, locked up for good.
Thanks gentlemen, for the initiative to help the authorities get this person. I understand that you want to do it because this person puts shame on expats all over Cebu, and the whole country for that matter. More importantly, you are doing it to keep him from corrupting more Filipinas and that is very admirable.
Thanks for taking care of my fellow Pinays that way
Posted by: Aussie Energiser Oct 3 2008, 12:36 PM
QUOTE(Balay @ Oct 3 2008, 08:16 AM)

Do you know where he is currently living ?
Send a immigration agent down there to see if he is up to date on his visa.
He has an appartement in Vista Villa Basak Lapu Lapu but he is currently in Victorias Negros
His last arrival was 06/28/2007
Anyone know him and information about his activities PM me
Its not as easy as people think to get a guy like this deported unless people make solid complaints
Posted by: robert51 Oct 3 2008, 02:24 PM
If your willing to tell all i can put you in touch with the lawyer (mary ann ) at B1 -7 here in mandue....she is a no bull women my wife is a friend of her's and she is the one who does the Goodby thing here in cebu
Posted by: Dave_Hounddriver Oct 3 2008, 02:33 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Sep 29 2008, 07:21 PM)

He is also a shabu addict. One look at his left arm says it all. Lots of deep cuts requiring stitches which I am told is the tell tail sing of an addict on bad trip.
QUOTE(the scarrows @ Oct 2 2008, 01:51 AM)

Someone eluded in an earlier post that these people who are fooled may have deserved it....hmmmm. Interesting, but not necessarily true.
"One look at his left arm says it all" . . . thus . . . . "people who are fooled may have deserved it" at least that is how it reads to me. Assuming one sees the left arm as the OP says, should one really expect a warm and fuzzy relationship with this guy? Next question is: how serious is the anti drug legislation here if an obvious addict, here as a visitor, is allowed to abuse drugs and local citizens . . to say nothing of abusing friendships with other foreigners?
Posted by: Admin Oct 3 2008, 02:33 PM
Hi Robert,
He may want that information, but one person he is in direct contact with at the moment, is a few levels above an Immigration ACO. The person in question flew down here from Manila to talk with us directly.
I heard about Mary Ann. I would like to meet her sometime.
Posted by: robert51 Oct 3 2008, 02:59 PM
QUOTE(Admin @ Oct 3 2008, 05:33 PM)

Hi Robert,
He may want that information, but one person he is in direct contact with at the moment, is a few levels above an Immigration ACO. The person in question flew down here from Manila to talk with us directly.
I heard about Mary Ann. I would like to meet her sometime.
let me know ... the guy is a germ that is for sure...
Posted by: Ricbak Oct 3 2008, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(Admin @ Oct 2 2008, 07:23 PM)

They have it, I'm fairly certain, as well as all known locations he frequents, etc.
After reading this thread I have another suggestion for those that are involved and wish to act on this matter.
The Australian federal police have a presence in the Phillipines, there are also laws that prohibt involvement with minors overseas.
Why not forward some information to the AFP and get them to investigate??
Posted by: Ricbak Oct 3 2008, 04:32 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Energiser @ Oct 3 2008, 11:36 AM)

He has an appartement in Vista Villa Basak Lapu Lapu but he is currently in Victorias Negros
His last arrival was 06/28/2007
Anyone know him and information about his activities PM me
Its not as easy as people think to get a guy like this deported unless people make solid complaints
Cannot PM you because your a newbie. My email:rjgbaker@hotmail.com
Posted by: johnrainey Oct 3 2008, 04:35 PM
Have the pictures been deleted as I can't find them.
Posted by: mattNZ Oct 3 2008, 05:01 PM
QUOTE(johnrainey @ Oct 3 2008, 07:35 PM)

Have the pictures been deleted as I can't find them.
Hi John, they've been added to the original post. Ugly bast@rd. (The guy, not you

)
Posted by: David Kennedy Oct 4 2008, 11:13 PM
QUOTE(Damairaki @ Oct 2 2008, 05:43 PM)

By the way I take it that you mean "pinay" and not "pinoy"?

All Pinays are Pinoys, but not all Pinoys are Pinays. Pinoy can mean either a male or female.
"Akoy isang Pinoy sa pusot diwa..."
(I am a Filipino in my heart, my soul..) Filipino song
Posted by: johnrainey Oct 5 2008, 01:02 PM
Thanks Matt. Yes, he could clean up well.
Posted by: Aussie Energiser Oct 7 2008, 11:52 AM
This guy Dean does seemed to be charmed. He always seems to gets out of problems.
Here are some of the incidents I know about that he has got away with.
There was an incident with a bargirl that works as Sisters bar in Mango. He apparently gave 3000 pesos to buy shabu and she returned with an amount equivalent to a few hundred pesos. He had her cell phone as security. He refused to return it to her. She called the police but he talked his way out of it and returned half the cell phone. I have no idea what excuse was used to explain the dispute.
There is a girl with the bar name Precious that was worked in Mango for some time. She also purchased Shabu for Dean. They did the Shabu and the had sex in the shower. Later Dean suddenly turned on her for no reason abusing her and hitting her. She left. Later Dean went to the bar and tired to give her 500 pesos. She threw the money on the floor and would not accept his apology. She says she hates Dean but she could never make a complaint against him as she would incriminate herself.
There was a girl from Pappilon who was also a Shabu addict. She stayed with Dean for a few months around December last year. They would often fight and cause a public disturbance at all hours of the night. The police (probably Barangay) were called many times and Dean always talked his way out of it. There was however one more violent incident where Dean smashed the window of his apartment and was pushing the girl out of the window. They were taken to the womens desk at Station 2 Fuente Osmenia. A blotter was recorded but according to Dean he was able to convince the womens desk that he was a psychologist trying to help the girl and said they were so stupid (the police women) that they were asking him if he could assist them in other cases. That is according to Dean anyway. Of course no case was filed as the girl did not want to make any further complaint.
I was told of another incident at a live music venue near his apartment. He was talking to an attractive girl and suddenly objected to something she said and stood up starting to verbally abuse her calling her a f**ing wh0re etc. She responded by spitting in his face. He spat back in her face and they stood in front of each other spitting in each others face. Can you imagine an adult male standing in front of a Filipina girl engaged in a spitting war?
This story was related to me by a black American dude living in Bogo. He is quietly spoken and if you every meet him and take the time to listen to him he speaks with great wisdom. A really nice guy. He was at a Video K sitting with Dean. A girl came in with four male friends. Dean grabbed the arm of the girl and told her to sit next to him. She was not a working girl and probably the girl friend on one of the guys. Five times she asked politely if she could go and sit with her friends and Dean said NO. Finally she stood up and Dean again grabbed her wrist and pulled her to the floor. She got up with tears in her eyes saying that he really hurt her. All the Filipino guys in the place stood up and Dean stood up. The American dude stood up and put his arms out and said no. The locals respect this guy and did not make a move on Dean. He explained that Dean was with him and he could not allow anything to happen to someone that was with him at the time. Anyway apparently the girl was from a wealthy family and waiting for Dean outside as an expensive late model SUV with a bunch of guys that were angry with Dean for disrespecting the Filipino and wanted to teach him a lesson. Dean may not have made it home that night but again the American dude made a call to a senior police in Bogo who took him home safely. No complaint was made and the girl in question is now residing in the UK.
Another story from Bogo also at a Video-k told to me directly by the owner of the Video-k. Dean was drunk and two girls were laughing at something and Dean assumed they were laughing at him. He became angry and abusive and walked over to the table and pushed one of the girls faces against the window with his open hand and then strangled her with one hand. The owner of the Video-k demanded he leave and told him he was banned from there. The incident was not reported despite many witnesses. The girl he assaulted has since married and moved to Negros.
These are but two of the Bogo incidents and there was some payback related to one or both of these. Three Filipino guys came up behind Dean in the street and stabbed him in the shoulder with an implement requiring stitches. I knew Dean at this time and back in Cebu he told me it was a case of mistaken identity and he decided not to press charges against the guys. In reality he knew he had worn out his welcome in bogo and knows its unsafe for him ever to return.
Then there was the incident at the Pizza Pub in Bogo with a Vice Mayor of a neighboring city. He told the lady sitting with the Vice Mayor that he wanted to f*** her in front of the Vice Mayor. The vice Mayor stood up and slapped Dean in the face and Dean did not respond. You see he only hits women. The police were called but again no official complaint was made.
In the last week of September he was very drunk and smashed a window of a car and then went into the Frolics bar in Lapu Lapu. Two Filipino guys followed him there but did not want to cause a problem so they waited for him outside. Dean refused to come out. Eventually the security guard helped arrange a deal for Dean to pay for the damage. Again Dean was able to avoid any formal complaint.
Last week Dean arrived at the apartment of his girl friend just before 6am in the morning and banged on her door and yelled for her to open the door disturbing all the other people in the apartment. He then smashed a window. The owner of the apartment said she would make a complaint at the Barangay level and wants Dean banned from visiting the apartment again. This was only one of many incidents at the apartment. When I spoke to her yesterday she still had not made the complaint. The longer she leaves it the less likely it that she will make the complaint.
There are many more stories. Dean does seem to be charmed.
He has contempt for the Filipino people and often makes derogatory remarks about them. His favorite expression when refereeing to asking a Filpino to do something is “teaching spastics to dance”
Posted by: Admin Oct 7 2008, 12:25 PM
QUOTE(Balay @ Oct 4 2008, 08:24 AM)

How does he afford to stay here ?
How does he make his income ?
His family sends him money to stay here. I may be wrong, but I figure he wore out his welcome in Australia, or maybe is just the black sheep of the family. Perhaps they sent him here so he would stop causing them problems? As I said, I could be wrong, but I do know the family sends him regular money, so he can continue to live here.
Posted by: robert51 Oct 7 2008, 01:25 PM
I was told of another incident at a live music venue near his apartment. He was talking to an attractive girl and suddenly objected to something she said and stood up starting to verbally abuse her calling her a f**ing wh0re etc. She responded by spitting in his face. He spat back in her face and they stood in front of each other spitting in each others face. Can you imagine an adult male standing in front of a Filipina girl engaged in a spitting war?
of all the things this one.. is so so ... cant say to much about a lady that spits in a persons face... Seem in this case its birds of a feather flying together
Posted by: scianna54 Oct 7 2008, 01:42 PM
QUOTE(robert51 @ Oct 7 2008, 04:25 PM)

I was told of another incident at a live music venue near his apartment. He was talking to an attractive girl and suddenly objected to something she said and stood up starting to verbally abuse her calling her a f**ing wh0re etc. She responded by spitting in his face. He spat back in her face and they stood in front of each other spitting in each others face. Can you imagine an adult male standing in front of a Filipina girl engaged in a spitting war?
of all the things this one.. is so so ... cant say to much about a lady that spits in a persons face... Seem in this case its birds of a feather flying together
I agree, sounds like he is socializing within his own circles.
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Posted by: cagayanstar Oct 7 2008, 02:33 PM
Looking through all the photos he doesnt look like normal,does he have brain abnormalities?lol
Dont wory guys,sooner or later this man will get what he deserves.
Thanks for the warning,I will let the CDO Mafia beat this man if he messes around here.
Posted by: Aussie Energiser Oct 7 2008, 08:43 PM
Yes not lady like on her part but if a Filipina was to spit in your face (after you stood up and yelled loudly that she was a f*cking wh*re) what would be your response
Would you stand there and spit back at her in a spitting war?
QUOTE(robert51 @ Oct 7 2008, 12:25 PM)

I was told of another incident at a live music venue near his apartment. He was talking to an attractive girl and suddenly objected to something she said and stood up starting to verbally abuse her calling her a f**ing wh0re etc. She responded by spitting in his face. He spat back in her face and they stood in front of each other spitting in each others face. Can you imagine an adult male standing in front of a Filipina girl engaged in a spitting war?
of all the things this one.. is so so ... cant say to much about a lady that spits in a persons face... Seem in this case its birds of a feather flying together
Posted by: hoz Oct 7 2008, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Energiser @ Oct 6 2008, 10:52 PM)

This guy Dean does seemed to be charmed. He always seems to gets out of problems.
He has contempt for the Filipino people and often makes derogatory remarks about them. His favorite expression when refereeing to asking a Filpino to do something is “teaching spastics to dance”
Quite a list of trouble,my feeling is if he doesn't straighten out he will be salvaged.
Posted by: Dave_Hounddriver Oct 7 2008, 08:51 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Energiser @ Oct 7 2008, 04:43 AM)

. . . (after you? stood up and yelled loudly that she was a f*cking wh*re) . . .
I am convinced I speak for most of us here when I say . . . That's never going to happen.
Posted by: broden Oct 7 2008, 08:53 PM
QUOTE(hoz @ Oct 7 2008, 06:50 AM)

Quite a list of trouble,my feeling is if he doesn't straighten out he will be salvaged.
i've seen alot of these guys over the years ... they eventually get it in the end usually cause of their own over blown ego + stupidity + whatever form of courage they are using at the time
Posted by: robert51 Oct 7 2008, 10:26 PM
QUOTE(Aussie Energiser @ Oct 7 2008, 11:43 PM)

Yes not lady like on her part but if a Filipina was to spit in your face (after you stood up and yelled loudly that she was a f*cking wh*re) what would be your response
Would you stand there and spit back at her in a spitting war?
well to tell you the truth the only women who ever spit in my face was an x who one day emptyed the joint acct and ran off with a boyfriend ... well after the money was spent she came back to me .. and our two kids one year old and three years old and when i told her it was done and over she said please i want to tell you something but i dont want the children to hear and like a fool i leaned foward and she spit in my face.... i then pushed her out the door and did accuse of her being a whore... so i can say maybe he was wrong and maybe he knew more about her then you .... one never knows... anyway to ans. your question i would not spit on anyone but i also will not let anyone spit on me that goes for any race or creed... and because i am in this country i would most likley not yell at any girl i would let my wife kick her nasty ass
imagine an adult male standing in front of a Filipina girl engaged in a spitting war?
i guess its this part that i dont get ... are you saying its the fact that he spit on a Filpina that makes it so bad or any women... spitting is low class anywhere and by anyone... thats just how i feel....
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 13 2008, 09:22 AM
Look in todays SUN Star
There is a wanted add for him now published. There are arrest warrents issued and also a deportation order is in progress
He is now in hiding on Mactan Island. He will be in the Philippines Justice system soon
Posted by: Keith Angel Nov 13 2008, 09:47 AM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 12:22 AM)

Look in todays SUN Star
There is a wanted add for him now published. There are arrest warrents issued and also a deportation order is in progress
He is now in hiding on Mactan Island. He will be in the Philippines Justice system soon
Cant find it on a search linc anyone?
Posted by: Bob Ward Nov 13 2008, 09:58 AM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 08:22 AM)

Look in todays SUN Star
I can't ever find anything in that paper. Is the story online or just print?
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 13 2008, 10:11 AM
Its a WANTED notice with pictures and reference to current criminal cases on page C2
Posted by: Francis Nov 13 2008, 10:47 AM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 09:11 AM)

Its a WANTED notice with pictures and reference to current criminal cases on page C2
What i dont get, is why at the Bar in Bogo, that other guy stood for a piece of sh**** like that, when he really deserved a lesson at the time. I know we all react different, but i wont ever get into trouble for someone that initiates trouble like that. I hope he gets nailed really good, people like him gives a bad and unjustiied rap to all of us foreigners in here. I know we all make mistakes in life, but those kind of mistakes, show that he is a low lifer and trash by the bunch.
Posted by: MrTibbs Nov 13 2008, 11:14 AM
I also may know the original poster, "Philippines Escapes", if his initials are C.B.
Be careful who tells you what, as they may also have an agenda.
Yes, the Philippines does have people "not worth knowing" as the original poster said in the first post of this thread.
Posted by: Admin Nov 13 2008, 12:11 PM
Mr. Tibbs, I am curious about your statements.
What "agenda" could he (Philippines Escape) have? You see, I know both of these fellows as well, and have for some time.
I know one of the girls involved in the cases filed against Dean. Dean was involved with her when she was a minor.
I know a high ranking official who is directly involved in this case.
I know the Mayor of a small town to the north, who had a direct encounter with Dean. Dean was blatantly disrespectful to the man, which caused him to end up slapping Dean in the face. It was deserved.
Dean even tried to screw my girlfriend, and to convince her to leave me. He has done the same to others whom I know.
Now, about that agenda?
Posted by: MrTibbs Nov 13 2008, 12:22 PM
QUOTE(Admin @ Nov 13 2008, 11:11 AM)

Mr. Tibbs, I am curious about your statements.
You see, I know both of these fellows as well, and have for some time.
Now, about that agenda?
If the OP has initials C.B., then yes I know him quite well.
Yes, I know you know both individuals.
If you know the OP, then I don't think you really need to ask about his agenda.
Posted by: Admin Nov 13 2008, 12:30 PM
I believe this is the page some folks are looking for:
sunstar_pg.pdf ( 327.85K )
: 614
Now, once again, Mr. Tibbs. What agenda would he have? Please let us know. As I stated, I know both of them, as well as others involved in this case.
I guess what I am saying here is, put up, or shut up. Either you have something to say, or you are just posting to read something in contrast.
Posted by: love Nov 13 2008, 12:58 PM
That guy looks similar to this composite sketch

http://www.crimenet.org/show_wanted.phtml?id=50&sid=775ed83a0ecd3db854f7cb0b9b81888c
Maybe he is wanted in Australia too.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 13 2008, 02:57 PM
Yes Mr Tibbs I do have an agenda. I am not just being a good citizen.
Dean was introduced to me by Paul in 2007. He is an intelligent guy and can even be charming. I invited him and a number of others to my home for Christmas dinner.
Then around May / Jun he started to hang out with me at the bars. I was not aware that he had a falling out with Paul at that time. Paul was still in Bogo and we did not have much contact.
I introduced Dean to my then serious girl friend. I even invited him to be a god parent of my son. I was surprised at how generous Dean was providing a very nice gift. I now realize Dean was already working on her.
During June / July I was hanging out with Dean and my girl friend was becoming increasingly quarrelsome and financially demanding.
I provided her with a brand new two bedroom apartment which I fully furnished including aircon. In addition to groceries I would bring her food I personally cooked which she had always appreciated in the past. Now she turned her nose up at it.
We had been planning to live together but she started to give me such a hard time I had second thoughts. Visiting her and my infant son became unpleasant. I was particularly annoyed that she would be aggressive and argumentive in his presence and told her time and time again that even he was young he could sense the negativity.
At the same time I started to become aware that Dean was making big problems for me behind my back. I had no idea why. I started to think he was disturbed. I started to distance myself from him.
The girlfriend became even more disturbed and finally presented me with a letter of demand from an attorney for 50,000 a month support. I estimated I was currently spending about 20,000 a month to support her and the baby. This letter of demand was accompanied by verbal blackmail.
Call me stupid but I still did not put two and two together. It was not until late August that I discovered Dean hiding behind the bedroom door of my girl friend when I was trying to make one last attempt to get her to be reasonable.
Dean was already having sex with my girl friend back in June (maybe even earlier) and after spending the night at the apartment I provided would come and visit me and pretend to be my friend then report anything (fact and fiction) back to my girl friend to further brainwash her against me.
After I discovered they were together they decided to live together and have denied giving me access to see my son since despite it be stipulated in the support agreement.
I started to research Dean and follow the trail of destroyed lives he has left. He is truly one of the most evil people I have met in my entire life. Totally selfish. But this is apparently typical of a Cystal Meth head and that is exactly what he is. He is a level three Shabu user and even self mutilated his left arm in what I assume was a suicide attempted during a bad trip.
Now I am a big boy and if it was just a matter of him taking away my girl friend then I would just be pissed off. He has taken away my son.
I think any father reading that understands and it need no further explanation.
So my agenda is getting my son back.
Incidentally he now has my ex-girl friend fully addicted to Shabu also. She has lost ALL her friends. They have turned against her and support me.
She seriously neglects the child. She constantly left the child in the care of a friend for weeks on end and would stay at Deans apartment. Once she was told there was no more cerolax she went out to buy it but came back two days later. Apparently Dean had been drunk and she needed to rescue him which was more important than food for her son. On another occasion she left my son in the care of a complete stranger for a similar situation with Dean.
I do not take any high moral back ground on this one. I am far from being a saint. I have made many mistakes myself.
My only purpose now is to get my son and then once I can secure him a passport I will leave the Philippines. This experience has been life changing for me.
I hope this answers your question about my motivation and I would be happy to provide more details in PM
QUOTE(MrTibbs @ Nov 13 2008, 10:14 AM)

I also may know the original poster, "Philippines Escapes", if his initials are C.B.
Be careful who tells you what, as they may also have an agenda.
Yes, the Philippines does have people "not worth knowing" as the original poster said in the first post of this thread.
Posted by: robert51 Nov 13 2008, 04:54 PM
i understand your anger but i have to say... it took two to tangle... unless he raped her you anger is directed 100% at him ,,, i have meet many a slick talker in my day but to talk a women into bed ...well like i said it takes. two... and why did you not marry her so you would have some legal rights ??
Posted by: jackspratt Nov 13 2008, 06:03 PM
QUOTE(robert51 @ Nov 13 2008, 06:54 PM)

i understand your anger but i have to say... it took two to tangle... unless he raped her you anger is directed 100% at him ,,, i have meet many a slick talker in my day but to talk a women into bed ...well like i said it takes. two... and why did you not marry her so you would have some legal rights ??
WTF? where u been living? under a rock? ..and thank f*** he didnt marry the bitch
Posted by: cebuexpat Nov 13 2008, 06:33 PM
Just as a 'by the by'; his picture is being circulated in the Mango bars; a few of the girls asked if I knew him.
Posted by: robert51 Nov 13 2008, 07:30 PM
QUOTE(jackspratt @ Nov 13 2008, 09:03 PM)

WTF? where u been living? under a rock? ..and thank f*** he didnt marry the bitch
you get real you get a girl PG and you dont marry her ,,, you think maybe you should wear a condom???????? and if a women gets dressed up sexy and goes to a bar and meets a guy and says lets go to my place and in the middle of sex a guy comes in who is the husband and shoots the guy... well he shot the wrong person.. do you think while he is in jail she will not cheat again... i feel sorry for the guy but its not all this other loser fault for stealing a women.. women can not be stolen unless they want to be stolen... and now he is served with papers to give support and wants visitation well the court would of worked for him if he married the women .. she is a loser but he is talking about the child isnt he? all i can say is next time Double wrap it. and get a DNA i dont think i would trust anything this women said...
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 13 2008, 08:12 PM
I was in love with her and was seriously thinking i might marry her one day. At the time I was seperated but not divorced.
It may be a good thing he did come along to expose her true colors before I did marry her. I have made mistakes and don't pretent to be the inocent party. The only incocent party is the child and now he is the only one to be concerned about. I had no plan to take the child from her until i really found out what sort of mother she is. I know I will be a good father to him and he is already accepted by his older siblings who are waiting for me to "bring him home".
QUOTE(robert51 @ Nov 13 2008, 06:30 PM)

you get real you get a girl PG and you dont marry her ,,, you think maybe you should wear a condom???????? and if a women gets dressed up sexy and goes to a bar and meets a guy and says lets go to my place and in the middle of sex a guy comes in who is the husband and shoots the guy... well he shot the wrong person.. do you think while he is in jail she will not cheat again... i feel sorry for the guy but its not all this other loser fault for stealing a women.. women can not be stolen unless they want to be stolen... and now he is served with papers to give support and wants visitation well the court would of worked for him if he married the women .. she is a loser but he is talking about the child isnt he? all i can say is next time Double wrap it. and get a DNA i dont think i would trust anything this women said...
Posted by: robert51 Nov 13 2008, 11:14 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 11:12 PM)

I was in love with her and was seriously thinking i might marry her one day. At the time I was seperated but not divorced.
It may be a good thing he did come along to expose her true colors before I did marry her. I have made mistakes and don't pretent to be the inocent party. The only incocent party is the child and now he is the only one to be concerned about. I had no plan to take the child from her until i really found out what sort of mother she is. I know I will be a good father to him and he is already accepted by his older siblings who are waiting for me to "bring him home".
well if you talking takiing away and she lives here ??? This is a very catholic country and there is NO way a father ((( foreigner)) is going to take away any child without the mother saying so.... If your correct about her maybe just maybe she can be paid enough to let the child go but if she does you better leave with your child ASAP so she can never find you... As for the other rat in the wood pile ... the best way to get rid of him is quick and forever dont think anyone will cry for his sorry rear... Sorry it did not work out but after she got PG you might of giving her some security and maybe she would not of did you wrong...
Posted by: Balay Nov 13 2008, 11:52 PM
Yeah I seen it in the SunStar today.
2 counts of http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno7610.html
Call Bureau of Immagration Cebu - Mr. De Guzman Tel 3456442 or text 09064724574
They say their is a reward.... I wonder how much ?
Posted by: Markham Nov 14 2008, 12:14 AM
QUOTE(robert51 @ Nov 13 2008, 10:14 PM)

well if you talking takiing away and she lives here ??? This is a very catholic country and there is NO way a father ((( foreigner)) is going to take away any child without the mother saying so.
In the Philippines, custody of a child, born out of wedlock, under the age of 7 is always with the mother - at the age of 7, the child can choose which (natural) parent he/she wishes to live with. However, if there are exceptional circumstances, custody could be given to the father. However a foreign father will face difficulties in taking his child out of the country unless a Philippines Court has awarded him sole custody.
Mark
Posted by: samatm Nov 14 2008, 09:56 AM
Escapades,
Thanks for sharing...wow! You admit you are culpable to varying degrees and are no saint either but now you see clearly to fight for your paternal rights to provide your son a life. I saw the wanted pics yesterday in the SunStar ..then i read this string.. How unfortunate your life crossed with this sociopath.
GET the very best legal team.
Does the child have birth certificate? Are u listed as the father?
Good Luck.. and prayers
Posted by: Keith Angel Nov 14 2008, 11:07 AM
Dont yet understand why they are aftewr him on this act REPUBLIC ACT NO. 7610 but when I read it ,it would appear to be a basis for Escapade,s custody claim
Posted by: robert51 Nov 14 2008, 11:28 AM
QUOTE(Markham @ Nov 14 2008, 03:14 AM)

In the Philippines, custody of a child, born out of wedlock, under the age of 7 is always with the mother - at the age of 7, the child can choose which (natural) parent he/she wishes to live with. However, if there are exceptional circumstances, custody could be given to the father. However a foreign father will face difficulties in taking his child out of the country unless a Philippines Court has awarded him sole custody.
Mark
Mark your right to a point... I think the law is talking about choosing between mom and dad... husband and wife... I have custody of my two children from when they were 1 and 3 now both grown... And it was a hard legal battle and in the end the mother allowed me to win after I paid her 20,000 dollars... even with her prior problems with drugs the court was still not willing to hand over a young children to a father.... the court granted the custody after the mom did not show up but they did state over and over the father legally married to the mother...
Posted by: Markham Nov 14 2008, 01:33 PM
QUOTE(robert51 @ Nov 14 2008, 10:28 AM)

Mark your right to a point... I think the law is talking about choosing between mom and dad... husband and wife...
Believe me, Robert, it doesn't matter if the child's parents are legally married or not, Philippine Law quite clearly states that where couples (either common-law or legally-married) separate, a child shall be under the custody and protection of the mother unless the mother can be proven to be unfit. However, proving unfitness is not at all easy, as you seem to have found out.
As others here will confirm, I am currently "peripherally-involved" in a child custody case which also involves two criminal actions and an administrative case with BID. As this is very much current and
sub judice I will refrain from making further comments on our case at this time.
QUOTE
I have custody of my two children from when they were 1 and 3 now both grown... And it was a hard legal battle and in the end the mother allowed me to win after I paid her 20,000 dollars... even with her prior problems with drugs the court was still not willing to hand over a young children to a father.... the court granted the custody after the mom did not show up but they did state over and over the father legally married to the mother...
I assume that your custody battle was in the US? If here, did you file a criminal prosecution against her?
Mark
Posted by: robert51 Nov 14 2008, 07:24 PM
Well mark his first battle is getting a DNA which takes a court order... or she could just say... I don’t know who the father is... and if he is a foreigner I just don’t think so...it would be a very very hard legal battle and to say she is a bad mother would have her saying... He got me PG and refused to marry me and will not support US... and if he loses he will come away with a hefty legal bill and most likely a stop order on him leaving the country if he is ordered to pay support... Or at least he will need the courts permission to leave as that is the only way they could enforce child support...
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:08 PM
Thanks to some of the people who know the real truth at livingincebu and let me know about this thread.
I am being set up by Chris Bennetts and his friends.
A lot of people will back me up that the real criminal here is Chris Bennetts. So please don't beleive the black picture that Chis Bennetts is trying to paint of me. Since he had no problem posting my picture and even going as far as paying for that SunStar ad I am going to give everyone information on him so people can know the real truth.
Chris Bennetts is the man running pornographic LBFM websites featuring Filipinas, some who are underage. I have pictures to prove it that he used to post on his mensasiantravelexploits and Angeles Bar websites.
(Business information deleted by Paul.)
People here in the Philippines are aware on his actions and he was even reported that he and his wife Antonieth ( at the time ) opened a Dance Studio on Mactan Island, Cebu Philippines. His wife at the time was serious about the studio but Chris had other intentions. Chris did even know he was reported to have been inviting other older men to come and watch the young girls dance in their underwear and was reported to have been taking pictures of the young girls that he proudly showed his friends.
During the day Christopher Bennetts tries to come off as an upstanding businessman and community member, but at night his a demented person who takes advantage of young underage girls. In the last 3 years Christopher Bennetts has become member of the Rotary Club of Mactan and has made a lot of influential friends who are involved in politics who he could use as protection is he is ever investigated.
Chris and I spent a lot of time together and I am 100 percent sure he is part of an international underage pornographic syndicate. Who specialize in making pornographic videos and pictures of young Filipina girls and boys.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:10 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 08:22 AM)

Look in todays SUN Star
There is a wanted add for him now published. There are arrest warrents issued and also a deportation order is in progress
He is now in hiding on Mactan Island. He will be in the Philippines Justice system soon
f*** OFF CHRIS. I know you paid for that ad. I am not going to forget this and I swear you are going to get what is coming to you here or in Aus.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:11 PM
QUOTE(MrTibbs @ Nov 13 2008, 10:14 AM)

I also may know the original poster, "Philippines Escapes", if his initials are C.B.
Be careful who tells you what, as they may also have an agenda.
Yes, the Philippines does have people "not worth knowing" as the original poster said in the first post of this thread.
Chris's agenda is to get me thrown out of the country because I was taking care of his girlfriend when he was out giving other girls cream pies and getting them pregnant.
Chris is the person here NOT WORTH KNOWING unless you are the same as he is, disrecpecting to the people of the Philippines.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:12 PM
QUOTE(MrTibbs @ Nov 13 2008, 11:22 AM)

If the OP has initials C.B., then yes I know him quite well.
Yes, I know you know both individuals.
If you know the OP, then I don't think you really need to ask about his agenda.
Thanks Mate for having my back.
People will know the truth about Chis Bennetts.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:14 PM
QUOTE(Admin @ Nov 13 2008, 11:30 AM)

I believe this is the page some folks are looking for:
sunstar_pg.pdf ( 327.85K )
: 614Now, once again, Mr. Tibbs. What agenda would he have? Please let us know. As I stated, I know both of them, as well as others involved in this case.
I guess what I am saying here is, put up, or shut up. Either you have something to say, or you are just posting to read something in contrast.
@%#&s sake you know damm well what the agenda of Chris is. I have all the information and pictures to prove it. There are a lot of girls that want to press charges on Chris and have him arrested. (Sentence deleted. You can at least keep the filth to a minimum in an open forum. - Paul)
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:15 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 01:57 PM)

Yes Mr Tibbs I do have an agenda. I am not just being a good citizen.
Dean was introduced to me by Paul in 2007. He is an intelligent guy and can even be charming. I invited him and a number of others to my home for Christmas dinner.
Then around May / Jun he started to hang out with me at the bars. I was not aware that he had a falling out with Paul at that time. Paul was still in Bogo and we did not have much contact.
I introduced Dean to my then serious girl friend. I even invited him to be a god parent of my son. I was surprised at how generous Dean was providing a very nice gift. I now realize Dean was already working on her.
During June / July I was hanging out with Dean and my girl friend was becoming increasingly quarrelsome and financially demanding.
I provided her with a brand new two bedroom apartment which I fully furnished including aircon. In addition to groceries I would bring her food I personally cooked which she had always appreciated in the past. Now she turned her nose up at it.
We had been planning to live together but she started to give me such a hard time I had second thoughts. Visiting her and my infant son became unpleasant. I was particularly annoyed that she would be aggressive and argumentive in his presence and told her time and time again that even he was young he could sense the negativity.
At the same time I started to become aware that Dean was making big problems for me behind my back. I had no idea why. I started to think he was disturbed. I started to distance myself from him.
The girlfriend became even more disturbed and finally presented me with a letter of demand from an attorney for 50,000 a month support. I estimated I was currently spending about 20,000 a month to support her and the baby. This letter of demand was accompanied by verbal blackmail.
Call me stupid but I still did not put two and two together. It was not until late August that I discovered Dean hiding behind the bedroom door of my girl friend when I was trying to make one last attempt to get her to be reasonable.
Dean was already having sex with my girl friend back in June (maybe even earlier) and after spending the night at the apartment I provided would come and visit me and pretend to be my friend then report anything (fact and fiction) back to my girl friend to further brainwash her against me.
After I discovered they were together they decided to live together and have denied giving me access to see my son since despite it be stipulated in the support agreement.
I started to research Dean and follow the trail of destroyed lives he has left. He is truly one of the most evil people I have met in my entire life. Totally selfish. But this is apparently typical of a Cystal Meth head and that is exactly what he is. He is a level three Shabu user and even self mutilated his left arm in what I assume was a suicide attempted during a bad trip.
Now I am a big boy and if it was just a matter of him taking away my girl friend then I would just be pissed off. He has taken away my son.
I think any father reading that understands and it need no further explanation.
So my agenda is getting my son back.
Incidentally he now has my ex-girl friend fully addicted to Shabu also. She has lost ALL her friends. They have turned against her and support me.
She seriously neglects the child. She constantly left the child in the care of a friend for weeks on end and would stay at Deans apartment. Once she was told there was no more cerolax she went out to buy it but came back two days later. Apparently Dean had been drunk and she needed to rescue him which was more important than food for her son. On another occasion she left my son in the care of a complete stranger for a similar situation with Dean.
I do not take any high moral back ground on this one. I am far from being a saint. I have made many mistakes myself.
My only purpose now is to get my son and then once I can secure him a passport I will leave the Philippines. This experience has been life changing for me.
I hope this answers your question about my motivation and I would be happy to provide more details in PM
I was there for your girlfriend who you never cared about. She was just another one of your conquests. You used her the same as you did with all the other girls. She never ment anything to you. She was just another place to depoist your ###### loads.
There is no way the authorities will see you as a fit parent. I have all the orginal pictures to prove it and I will show them. Your kid of anyone elses kid is not safe to be in the same room as you.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:16 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 07:12 PM)

I was in love with her and was seriously thinking i might marry her one day. At the time I was seperated but not divorced.
It may be a good thing he did come along to expose her true colors before I did marry her. I have made mistakes and don't pretent to be the inocent party. The only incocent party is the child and now he is the only one to be concerned about. I had no plan to take the child from her until i really found out what sort of mother she is. I know I will be a good father to him and he is already accepted by his older siblings who are waiting for me to "bring him home".
Your exwife should come here and tell everyone what a bad husband you where. There is no way you are fit to be a parent. I am sure you will try to take pictures of your son and post them on the internet so you can make some money from it.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:18 PM
If anyone wants to know the truth and even see the pictures of Chris and all his conquests please email me at
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If anyone has a good lawyer, they can help me. I will let the truth be known.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:20 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Nov 13 2008, 08:22 AM)

Look in todays SUN Star
There is a wanted add for him now published. There are arrest warrents issued and also a deportation order is in progress
He is now in hiding on Mactan Island. He will be in the Philippines Justice system soon
f*** OFF CHRIS. I know you paid for that ad. I am not going to forget this and I swear you are going to get what is coming to you here or in Aus.
Posted by: DeanMarston Nov 17 2008, 05:22 PM
QUOTE(MrTibbs @ Nov 13 2008, 10:14 AM)

I also may know the original poster, "Philippines Escapes", if his initials are C.B.
Be careful who tells you what, as they may also have an agenda.
Yes, the Philippines does have people "not worth knowing" as the original poster said in the first post of this thread.
Chris's agenda is to get me thrown out of the country because I was taking care of his girlfriend when he was out giving other girls cream pies and getting them pregnant.
Chris is the person here NOT WORTH KNOWING unless you are the same as he is, disrecpecting to the people of the Philippines.
Posted by: Dave_Hounddriver Nov 17 2008, 06:22 PM
QUOTE(Philippines Escape @ Sep 29 2008, 07:21 PM)

. . . He then introduced her to shabu. He told me that once a girl is on that they are under his control. . . He has got this new girl on Shabu also. I know this girl and I can see her whole life collapsing around her. She said to me two nights ago that she had lost everything. . . .He is also a shabu addict. One look at his left arm says it all. Lots of deep cuts requiring stitches which I am told is the tell tail sing of an addict on bad trip.
It shows real stones for Dean to show up on this forum and defend himself, however, if the allegations quoted here are true, Dean, you will need more than a good lawyer. There is a thread on here somewhere about a fellow getting 6 years for a little marijuana . . imagine how unfriendly the PNP will be if your `left arm says it all`as the OP says.
Whoops . . edit . . looks like Dean`s posts have been deleted . . Well unless I was delusional I did see them here.
Posted by: Bob Ward Nov 17 2008, 06:28 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Hounddriver @ Nov 17 2008, 05:22 PM)

It shows real stones for Dean to show up on this forum and defend himself, however, if the allegations quoted here are true, Dean, you will need more than a good lawyer. There is a thread on here somewhere about a fellow getting 6 years for a little marijuana . . imagine how unfriendly the PNP will be if your `left arm says it all`as the OP says.
Whoops . . edit . . looks like Dean`s posts have been deleted . . Well unless I was delusional I did see them here.
Too much Cuervo Gold on Saturday I think. LOLOLOL
Posted by: Bob Ward Nov 17 2008, 06:31 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Hounddriver @ Nov 17 2008, 05:22 PM)

It shows real stones for Dean to show up on this forum and defend himself, however, if the allegations quoted here are true, Dean, you will need more than a good lawyer. There is a thread on here somewhere about a fellow getting 6 years for a little marijuana . . imagine how unfriendly the PNP will be if your `left arm says it all`as the OP says.
Whoops . . edit . . looks like Dean`s posts have been deleted . . Well unless I was delusional I did see them here.
Too much Cuervo Gold at the Fiesta!
Posted by: Admin Nov 17 2008, 11:23 PM
QUOTE(DeanMarston @ Nov 17 2008, 04:11 PM)

Chris's agenda is to get me thrown out of the country because I was taking care of his girlfriend when he was out giving other girls cream pies and getting them pregnant.
Chris is the person here NOT WORTH KNOWING unless you are the same as he is, disrecpecting to the people of the Philippines.
Dean, if I didn't PERSONALLY know at least one of your victims, I could see others supporting your argument. Actually, I know more than one, but the others were not willing to come forward. They are scared of you, I suppose.
You tried to screw
my girlfriend, after I invited you into
my home as friend, you lowlife son-of-a-bitch. Remember that incident? Actually, two of them... Kim too. But she shunned you as well, didn't she? Yes, she told me about what you tried to do to her, after the fact. Vivian has already state that she is happy to be a witness to that, for the prosecution. Trying to get her to feel between your legs. From the guys I meet, who have known and befriended you, it seems as though this is a behavioral trait in you, concerning your "friends".
Yeah, good one - buddy.
Also, you are a coward, and will always be coward. Remember the incident, the one that was witnessed by probably more than 50 people in front of MB's not long ago? It has something to do with a cowardice, mid 30's Australian, who was too scared to step foot outside a truck. Was it that you were hiding in the back seat? Or, was it that you just couldn't get the door open?
Posted by: Bob Ward Nov 17 2008, 11:33 PM
Now mind your fingers! You may have to be pole dancing soon to support the hospital bills!
Posted by: Terp Nov 17 2008, 11:41 PM
As an Admin type guy I see a lot of flaming going on here which is against the rules of this forum.
So I will lock this thing for a day or so to let things cool off....
Posted by: ROCO22 Nov 18 2008, 10:15 AM
No Politics eh?
No worries...
This thread trumps political blah-blah anytime!
Posted by: scianna54 Nov 18 2008, 04:12 PM
For sure it sounds as if Dean is on a slippery slope. I trust our admin and his first hand experiences in that regard. True also what Robert says (even if Mr. "I know it all" aka "I avoid no fight or argument" from down under disagrees), there are always 2 needed to do a screw up. I am also wondering what Mr. LBFM is doing in his spare time. There is always some truth even in the biggest lie.
Lot's of interesting information to say the least.
.
Posted by: breakfast Nov 18 2008, 06:41 PM
Could someone please put up the copy of information detailing police requests for information about Dean if he is wanted in relation to sex offences against minors.
Cheers.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 18 2008, 09:45 PM
There is only one person that would believe all the rubbish that Dean has written and that is his crystal-meth-head girl friend. Sadly she
I found most of it laughable (in fact I did laugh out aloud at some of it) but there are a few things that I need to respond to.
Firstly let me say Dean is going to have not one opportunity but actually two opportunities to put forward all his accusations in a court of law. I have filed two cases against him (and also against the girlfriend). The first is for Grave Oral Deformation relating to his accusations that I am a pedophile. The other related case is extortion / black mail related to these same accusations. The material he posted here will be added to the case.
I notice Dean did not say that I am convicted pedophile on the run as he told his girl friend and she told just about everyone she could. He told the girl that he has a police friend in Australia and checked up on me and I am “the most wanted pedophile on the run in Australia” Such rubbish is so easily disproven.
The reality is that I have a totally clean record with perhaps one or two minor traffic violations and I have never been so much as interviewed about anything else. Of course when I came here three years ago on a 13a visa I had to supply my Police clearance from Australia.
Dean claims he is being set up. This will be no kangaroo court Dean. The cases filed are very real and people you know only too well.
You have been fully investigated Dean. Let me give you some insight. A trip to your old apartment to see you old land lady. You can imagine what she had to say about you to the investigating officers. Then pointed to a blotter about a girl you attempted to push out your top story bedroom window in the early hours or the morning while you were both high on shabu. A visit to the bars with the investigators could not have been more fruitful. Just the mention of your name brought disdain from most of the girls. Girls like Precious and Apple were more than willing to share their stories. Why did you rip up her Health card anyway? It took her two weeks to replace and she needed to go back to the province. Did you know that both Precious and Apple had a plan to get you. Anyone that lives in Cebu just visit Mango and mention Den Den to the working girls…
The trip up to Bogo was a revelation. You must be the most hated person to have ever gone there. Do you remember that quiet gentle spoken dude called Harold. He told many stories about you and how on two occasions he saved you from what would have been a lynching mob. You needed the Police protection of PO3 Dosdos arranged by Harold to take you home. He said to me that he felt obligated to protect you as you were in his company. How did you repay Harold for protecting you…stabbing him in the back making an untrue allegation against him.
We learnt of your abuse and assault of a girl at Cheers videoke bar near the market. We learnt of your abuse and assault of a girl at RDM Videoke bar near the peer. We also met girls you promised to marry like Jolly-babe, Maria and Sheryl. How many girls have you robbed of their virginity with a promise of marriage?
Then there was the incident with the vice mayor of another place near Bogo at the Pizza pub. In a drunken state you told him that you wanted to fuck his girlfriend. He got up and slapped your face and you did nothing (very wise of you in hindsight). The police were called but he did not want to file charges. Maybe that was his kabit and he did not want scandal but I think you were also very wise to leave Bogo after that and never return. The investigators did speak to the vice mayor also. Nothing else came out of that except a stronger resolve and confirmation that you are indeed an undesirable and should be deported.
Then there are all the incidents here in Cebu and on Mactan. You would be amazed. How about the two guys that followed you to Frolics bar because you damaged their car and they were waiting for you outside. I actually don’t want to mention too much more. Lots of surprises waiting for you.
You are trying to make out I am setting you up. You set yourself up. I just pointed out the trial for the investigators to follow.
I do need to mention Rotary as you have implied that I am using contact through Rotary to “set you up”. Rotary is nothing like that. It is simply a service organization. They help people. I personally don’t know any politicians or otherwise influential people through Rotary that have offered me any assistance in this endeavor.
“Chris is the person here NOT WORTH KNOWING unless you are the same as he is, disrecpecting to the people of the Philippines.” WOW this comment from the guy that says of trying to show a Filipino something is “like trying to teach spastics to dance”
“Chris's agenda is to get me thrown out of the country because I was taking care of his girlfriend when he was out giving other girls cream pies and getting them pregnant.” If you call getting her addicted to Shabu taking care then I can not argue with you.
“There are a lot of girls that want to press charges on Chris and have him arrested.” So bring them forward…
“I was there for your girlfriend who you never cared about. She was just another one of your conquests. You used her the same as you did with all the other girls. She never ment anything to you. She was just another place to depoist your ###### loads.” The truth is that she is one of only three girls in my life I have been in love with. I had a plan to spend the rest of my life with her. I shared my dreams with her. I suppose I have to thank you for exposing her weak character to me. In fact the hardest things has been to acknowledge to myself that she was just a gold digger all along.
“There is no way you are fit to be a parent. I am sure you will try to take pictures of your son and post them on the internet so you can make some money from it.” Dean has posted the most foul of accusations against me but I think this one is the most revealing of all. This is a very sick mind. If I needed reminding of why I have assisted in getting you investigated this is it. My resolve is stronger than ever.
One thing about level 3 crystal meth users is they are both delusional and paranoid.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 18 2008, 09:52 PM
QUOTE
Could someone please put up the copy of information detailing police requests for information about Dean if he is wanted in relation to sex offences against minors.
Cheers.
I will not post the details of the case but it is for Acts of Lasciviousness in Relations to RA 7610 (2 counts) girl is 15 years old and part of the evidance is a rather disgusting picture of Dean with the girl.
There is another girl 16 that is in the process of filing a case that includes both sex and shabu use. (waiting on a relative of legal age to arrive from Leyte as a minor can not file the case alone)
One of his favoriate places to pick up underage girls was the clubs around Mango Square.
Posted by: Philippines Escape Nov 18 2008, 10:12 PM
other sayings inlcude takes two to tango AND Where there is smoke there is fire
I do not claim to be Mr Innocent but I categorically reject these most disgusting and false accusations made by Dean. The thing is they will be dealt with in a court of law and not decided here.
I also don’t like the title Mr LBFM and would request it not be used but if you insist on calling me Mr LBFM then you should at least refer to Dean as "Den Den Ortin" a name he has introducded himself as countless times.
QUOTE(scianna54 @ Nov 18 2008, 03:12 PM)

For sure it sounds as if Dean is on a slippery slope. I trust our admin and his first hand experiences in that regard. True also what Robert says (even if Mr. "I know it all" aka "I avoid no fight or argument" from down under disagrees), there are always 2 needed to do a screw up. I am also wondering what Mr. LBFM is doing in his spare time. There is always some truth even in the biggest lie.
Lot's of interesting information to say the least.
.
Posted by: robert51 Nov 18 2008, 10:41 PM
sounds like you two know way to much about each other.... let he who is without sin cast the first stone... i cant wait to read the paperback..
Posted by: Admin Nov 19 2008, 10:07 PM
Let's just leave this thread closed. I feel as though it has run its course.
Thanks,
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